Professor “Toco” is a highly respected instructor. Some of his students include Alexandre Pulga and Cyborg Abreu. He talks about Carlson Gracie, the Vale Tudo days of Rio and surfing. He also talks about his social projects that bring BJJ to favelas. Click “read more” for listening options and show notes!

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  • Origins
  • How he got his nickname
  • Learning from Master Carlson Gracie
  • The environment of Carlson’s school in Rio De Janeiro
  • How have money and sponsorships affected the sport?
  • Rio’s Vale Tudo scene in the 90’s
  • The infamous “Desafio” event between Jiu-Jitsu and Luta Livre
  • His style of Jiu-Jitsu
  • Fundamentals of half guard
  • The day he got his Black Belt
  • Being stuck in a rank
  • The importance of principles and values as a black belt
  • Promoting people too fast
  • Prodigies in Jiu-Jitsu
  • Teaching kids
  • Surfing stories
  • Respect & discipline
  • Teaching basic body mechanics
  • Cyborg Abreu
  • Competition
  • The Pummel
  • His social program in Rio
  • BJJ’s growth